TNGDA Salem Office Bearers Transfer

26th Nov 2009

TNGDA Salem Office Bearers Transfer

The state body condemns the transfer of our Salem District Secretary Dr Lakshmi Narasiman and Treasurer Dr Mukunthan to Thoothukodi on administrative reasons. It is unfortunate that the govt. has transferred district office bearers of a recognized association for trivial reasons.

We were told that our office bearers were transferred on the D.O. letter of the Dean, Salem.

The state body demands that the transfer orders of the office bearers are cancelled immediately.

Immediately on hearing the transfer, the state body contacted the DME and HS and demanded cancellation of the transfer orders.

Meanwhile, we directed the Salem Office Bearers to take up the issue in the proposed GBM the next day. The Salem District GB resolved that the Office Bearers transfers should be cancelled immediately. TNGDA Salem also resolved to go in for strike the next day.

While the HS assured to consider our demand, insisted that we defer any agitation. So, we directed Salem district to postpone all agitations for 2 days, so as to enable us to assess the response of the govt.

But unfortunately the Salem office bearers’ went ahead with a dharna by about 35 members.

While the discussion is going on the Salem office bearers went to Chennai and we asked them to meet the HS along with our Head Quarters Secretary. They didn’t take the HQ secretary but instead met the HM thro’ some personal contacts. The HM has directed them to obey the order and join in Thoothukodi.

Once the HM is involved, the HS/ DME were not able to decide. State Office Bearers met the HM and requested immediate cancellation. But the HM insisted that they should first obey the order and only then revoking can be considered.

The stalemate continues. As the association was in the election process and no active aggressive steps can be planned. Now, the issue has been made an agenda in the state GBM. Hope we arrive at suitable decisions in the meeting.

Meanwhile the state body continues its efforts in canceling the orders.

State Secretary

CLARIFICATIONS – 24.11.2009

1) Confusion over Specialist / Panel / CML Seniority, regarding.

The TNGDA for decades has stood by CML Seniority at all levels. In G.O:354 which was issued based on Praveen Kumar Committee report (in which TNGDA office bearers were members), certain confusions prevail among our members, officials, and others.

The TNGDA members of the Praveen Kumar committee during the deliberations have made it clear of the priority of CML Seniority in any Specialty. It was accepted to maintain STATUS QUO in this regard. More so, the committee and the consequent G.O:354 are basically a Finance GO. Hence, rules on promotion and seniority are always based on the situation in the parent department.

So the TNGDA in the State EC Meeting held on 25.10.09 at Trichy has resolved to get suitable Clarification / Amendments to ensure STATUS QUO (that existed before with CML seniority as superior).

The TNGDA will also fight against the controversial illustration 4 in the G.O. 354.

2) Release of Diploma Candidates to DME To DMS Side.

The TNGDA State Office Bearers has taken up the issue with the DME and the Govt to retain to all willing Diploma and MBBS candidates in the DME side itself and ensure Person Oriented Promotion (including PB IV) to them.

Those willing to continue in DME side are directed to give their option thro the Dean on the circular from the DME stating their willing ness to continue in DME side.

Those wanting earlier promotions shall opt to go to DMS side and they will get their speciality specific seniority and promotions there.

Communication regarding Declaration of Probation

G.O. 354 – Highlights

G.O. 354 – Highlights

• An excellent G.O. in terms of financial benefit. As this is basically a finance G.O., all administrative orders, procedures in that can be changed any time in-future at the directorate and Health Secretariat.
• Worth 118 crores + 30 crores as DA + 15 crores as allowances totaling 165 crores per annum.
• 165 crores per annum for our doctors
• + An increase in retirement benefits by 2.5 lakhs at present to upto 10 lakhs in future. + increase in monthly pension
• No other association has achieved such large scale promotions and enhancement in basic pay as correction in an agitation in 50 years in any department in TN.
• Pb4 possible max by 20 years. Minimum by 9 to 12 years (even 6 Y)
• IAS in 13 YEARS they reach pb4 (Time bound).
• UGC - After 12 years on vacancies, they reach pb4
• Time bound Pb4 only for doctors and IAS in TN
• By 20 years pb4. ie 1/3rd at any time. Every one some time.
• 10 out of 30 years in pb4 ie gross from 65000 to 80000.
• The exclusive club of PB 4. Total TN officers 4000 in pb4.
• 3000 are doctors. 300 IAS/ IPS. Balance other dept.
• Every doctor will reach PB 4 and retire. (irrespective of their qualification) 
• Every doctor will reach the maximum pension. (Upper limit)
• VRS
• Better allowances.
• + PRIVATE PRACTICE
• Correction of 30 years back-log.

Points of concern in G.O. 354:

1. Suggested release of Diploma and MBBS from DME side on first promotion:

• By now the DME/ Health Secretariat/ Finance Secretariat have agreed to retain Diploma/ MBBS till CCS level.
• This is same as pre-G.O. state.
• TNGDA has resolved in Trichy State EC of this. Has sought an amendment to retain and promote them within DME as per the recommendation of Praveen Kumar Committee. (TNGDA formed a part of the committee.)
• As of now, TNGDA has succeeded in persuading DME/ Health Secretary in retaining diploma/ MBBS doctors upto CCS level. Awaiting finance clearance.
• DME himself has agreed to take it up as it would affect functioning of many departments.
• Selfish criticism by certain people accusing this clause is meaning less. For the fear that it may affect them they start criticizing this. (All these years it was like this. Diploma/ MBBS moving out at SCS level promotion. Why such hue and cry now?)

2. Date of implementation:

Not from 1.1.2006. Only from 23.10.2009. Even personal representation was made with Hon’ble CM. Finance department objects to this.

3. Panel / Specialist seniority:

TNGDA always insist on CML seniority. TNGDA Demand: CML is fundamental for promotion and NOT to Panel or Speciality seniority.

4. VRS Cool-off period:

Those non-scarce doctors willing for VRS after 20 years of service before claiming pb4 pay will be allowed VRS. Once they claim pb4 they should stay for 5 years before VRS.

TNGDA to take-up this clause legally.

What do Service PGs get?

• The service PGs will get regular increments (instead of paper increments)
• Their PG period will be counted for time-bound promotions.
• Almost all PGs will get atleast one promotion. First year PGs ie joined service in 2006 will be promoted to SAS and those who joined service before 2005 will be promoted as Civil Surgeons at the time of implementation (one time fitment has no minimum period.
• To Sum-up - first promotion in 3^rd year and two promotions in 5^th year is unimaginable. Most likely the orders will be effected in a couple of months.
• Is it true? Yes, sure.
• How? Most people get confused with Person Oriented Promotions at 8, 15 and 20 years. (This POP is the maximum time for promotions.) Hence feel the first promotion will be only at 8^th year. But apart from POP TNGDA through the Praveen Kumar Committee has increased the promotions. (plz see table below). Through them the quick promotion is possible.

PHC doctors do not benefit by this… some so called organizations. Is it true?

These party based or Public Health Officials instigated forums are all motivated and have vested interest. Their only idea is to blame TNGDA.

But still let us see what would our PHC doctors get.

   By person oriented promotions, PHC doctors are expected to get promotions in 8, 15 and 20 years. But on the recommendations of Praveen Kumar Committee the total posts are upgraded to various cadres and by this increased promotion opportunities,

• All PHC doctors who have joined service in 2006 (including CMC batch) will be promoted to SAS
• and those who joined service before 2005 will be promoted as Civil Surgeons next month (at the time of implementation)
• Almost all PHC doctors who have put in 16 to 17 years will get pb4 scales.

Unbelievable. Yet true.

• + time-bound pb4 scales (Biggest achievement)
• More allowances – PHC allowance, administrative allowance etc.
• Central Govt. funded Rural Pay will also be extended to them later on.
• The best scales for PHC doctor in any state across the country.
• First time in the history, the PHC timings are reduced by 2 hours and practically NO CALL DUTY.

Let these people show better pay/ promotion scales for PHC doctors in any other state.

DMS UNIT COMPARISON

Cadres	AS	SAS	CS	SCS	CCS	Total
B4 G.O.	7650	369	193	548 (including DD, specialists)	0	8776
After G.O. 354 sanction	3218	2163	927	1235	1191	8735 + DD

Break-up and analysis:-

AS 3218 post (The jr most doctors will be AS)	Vacant posts 900 + those who are to write Special TNPSC 2109 + those recruited between Feb 2009 and Oct 2009 is 450 doctors	Total is 3459. So only these junior most doctors will remain AS. Even the 300 doctors in this should get their promotion, but will not be done for want of regularization.
SAS 2163 posts (Immediate senior batches)	The CMC batch converted to time scale on 1.11.2006 numbering 1300 + Regular TNPSC selected in 2005-06 numbering 700	So, all these doctors will get promoted to SAS
CS 927 posts	Those selected between 2002 to 2005 will get fitted to this. 265 Regular TNPSC in 2003. + 550 10a1 in 2002
SCS 1235 posts	Probably those selected before 2002 will get here
CCS 1191	Probably all present SAS/ CS/ SCS will be fitted in this. ie those who have 16 years will get Pb4 scales

* these are all presumptions based on total posts sanctioned in G.O.354. It may vary from speciality to speciallity. Will be correct by atleast 95%.

DME SIDE

Cadres	Tutor	AP	SAP	Asso. Prof.	Prof.	Total
Before G.O.	264	3233	-	1317	15	4830
After G.O.	264 (with TimeBound promotions)	774	822	1459	1511	4830

Break-up and analysis:-

AP : Associate Prof : Prof = 3233 : 1217 : 15 Now it is 1600 : 1500: 1500 2/3rd as self drawing cadres 1/3rd in Pb4 + POP at time-bound intervals Almost Inverted pyramid structure

TNGDA elections contestants to notice certain rules

Dear doctors TNGDA elections are contemplated in all districts in november 2009 for two year tenure. Most districts had elected only few interested doctors repeatedly because many are not willing to do any service to fellow doctors but they would be fierce critics in meeting. We want many doctors to contest/vote in elections so that TNGDA would represent the views of majority and many category of members. We defenitely need certain spare time to be district office bearers. We need good hearts to spend some time to serve as district/state office holders other wise we can not even handle our day to day problems to even at JD/DD/Dean level. More over many new faces along with experienced people would improve our association in many ways. Hence it is good to have doctors from DPH/DMS/DME as well as from junior and senior doctors equally in State Executive Committee then only all problems would be discussed and addressed adequately.
Most new doctors are discouraged from contesting TNGDA election citing various rules and prevented from voting citing various reasons in few places. One thing we have to remeber when we started our pay struggle, we appealed to all including 10A1 & SCS doctors and most of them came forward to fight their rightful cause along with TNGDA. We did not classify them members/ nonmembers, juniors/senior civil surgeons. A section of new recruits may not understand the importance of TNGDA as this is the only recognised association to fight for TN Govt doctors . But many districts routinely allow them to vote in elections and all of them become members at the election time. Many district office bearers won't give bylaw copy to the new members when they join association and keep them away as a secret document. It is not good for a democtratically run asssociation to ignore bylaw and rules and keep their members ignorant of bylaw of association. Once a new person comes forward to contest elections, we cite a rule or two to disqualify them, but what happens at the end, interested new member loses enthusiasm and same past office bearers continue. If one has served the post up to the minimum expection of ordinary members, they would always choose that person only. After all a TNGDA office bearer loses his precious time in association compromising family and practice. But to improve association and growth of TNGDA, we need to involve all category of doctors and motivate them for association activities. Election is one such instrument to involve all members and we can consider their votes as an approval of any service done to them by contestants.
On the other side of the story, no body can contest in any election in any forum, unless he/she is a valid member. New Members who wish to contest elections should first ensure that they have obtained membership by registering (1000 rs for registration) and keeping the membership card with membership number and they should have paid regular annual subscription ( 200 per year). Unlike IMA we don't have life membership as many doctors think that by paying 1000 rs once, they have become life members and need not pay any subscription. Many distircts are unable to collect annual subscription because members are not paying them regularly and aviod meeting the office bearer collecting subscription ignoring the fact that he is doing that on behalf of TNGDA. So any contestant should ensure that they have paid all annual subscriptions till date and proposer and seconder who have signed their nomination, should also ensure memship details and subscriptions till date for their candidate get through scrutiny of nomination form. For that matter, membership registration in any district throughout Tamilnadu is enough to contest in any district provided member has paid annual subscriptions in that contesting district for the period served there. There is no fixed date or month uniformly throughout state for collecting annual subscription hence pay subscription in that particular district to aviod disqualification. One can nominate for two posts but he can contest only one post hence if one fails to withdraw any one of the two nominations both forms may get rejected. One has to ensure this to avoid disqualification. If possible get a bylaw copy available with district office bearers, read them thoroughly and then file your nomination. Please participate in General Body meeting conducted before elections because GB may extend the present office bearers for another two year period provided 2/3 or more members of total members in GB majority passed that resolution for extention of tenure.

PHYSIOCON EAST 2009

28TH & 29TH Nov @ Bhubaneswar. India

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ATTENTION DOCTORS C.M.L ANOMALIES TO BE RECTIFIED BEFORE PROMOTIONS AND PAY IMPLEMENTATION

Attention Doctors !!!
In CML 2005 list many Government doctors service seniority (CML) were fixed purely based on TNPSC seniority in spite of the fact that they had taken joining time more than 6 months from the date of appointment due to various reasons ( PG study period, abroad service, court case etc). Their date of joining into service was not considered for fixing the seniority.
Example:
Dr.A (Selected by TNPSC – 1995) joined service on 2000
Dr.B (Selected by TNPSC – 1997) joined service immediately on 1997.
In CML 2005 list, Dr.A seniority was blindly placed ahead of Dr.B ( Dr.A is placed 5 years seniors to others … without any service during that period)
Getting service Seniority without joining Service !!!!

According to rule 4(e) of General Rule for Tamil Nadu State & Subordinate Service guidance, the service seniority (in this place CML) should be fixed based on TNPSC seniority irrespective of date of joining into service, provided that the candidate joins the service within 6 months from getting initial appointment order. If the candidate joins the service after 6 months due to any reason, the seniority of the candidate should be placed below the junior most person in service at the time of his joining duty.
This fact was clearly mentioned in the recent DPH Regularization order (Note: R.No:43016/E5/A2/08 dated 28.01.2009 of DPH&PM, Chennai-6.).
After bringing this problem to the knowledge of DPH / DMRHS ,they accepted this error & wanted individual representation in this regard to prepare forthcoming CML 2009 list.
Most of our service seniority is affected due to this problem (For details refer CML 2005 list)
Few of our friends have represented already with clear evidence …
awake NOW & Represent it individually … ( to DMRHS,DPH,DME,HS, & TNGDA)Advance Copy
From
DR.X( Detail deleted for illustration of one such example)

To
THE DIERCTOR OF MEDICAL & RURAL HEALTH SERVICES,
DMS Campus , Tenampet,
CHENNAI – 600 006.

* Through proper channel with advance copy (by RPAD).
Respected Sir/Madam
SUB: CML 2009 Preparation – Request to correct certain anomalies in CML 2005 list . Regarding
Ref : 1. CML 2005
2. R.No:43016/E5/A2/08 dated 28.01.2009 of DPH&PM, Chennai-6.
3. Let.No:885893/E6/3/2008 dated 25.11.2008 of DMRHS, Chennai-6.
****
I joined as Assistant Surgeon in Tamilnadu Medical Service on XX.XX.2000 FN by direct TNPSC selection (1999 Exam).
Subsequently my CML seniority was fixed in the CML 2005 list as 9XXX/05 based on my TNPSC seniority No: XXX/99.

The following 19 candidates although selected during the previous years, joined duty only after my date of joining, but their CML 2005 seniority numbers were placed before my seniority number as follows. In the following order of details
CML/05
Name
Date of Birth
Date of Joining into Service
7543
THANGARAJ P S K
18.09.1966
13-03-2002
8906
SUDHA K
20.07.1973
11-03-2002
9005
BALAMURUGAN S
20.02.1974
27-06-2002
9014
RAJARAJAN V
05.06.1974
28-06-2002
9060
JAIKARAN G K
03.09.1974
13-03-2002
9117
THALAPATHY RAMKUMAR R
17.10.1974
09-09-2002
8575
KANNAPPAN G
04.04.1971
06-06-2001
8742
BALAJI S
08.03.1966
15-06-2001
8925
RAMESH R
12.08.1973
30-05-2001
8969
THANAPPAN N
12.09.1973
05-07-2001
8975
SIVAKUMAR K
15.06.1974
18-06-2001
8980
ARAVAZHI R
24.06.1974
30-05-2001
9012
MUTHUKUMAR J
04.05.1974
01-06-2001
9112
ANITHA THAMARAI A
15.05.1974
13-06-2001
9123
MOHANAKRISHNAN
02.05.1968
04-10-2001
9141
PRABHAKAR U
07.05.1974
18-05-2001
9143
VENKATESH MADAN KUMAR
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04-07-2001
8452
BALAKUMAR P S
08.08.1971
15-05-2000
8896
ALAGA VENKATESAN V N
05.09.1973
18-08-2000

* Source – CML 2005
The above candidates seniority were fixed in CML 2005 purely based on TNPSC seniority in spite of the fact that they had taken joining time more than 6 months from the date of appointment due to various reasons ( PG study period, abroad service, court case etc).Their date of joining into service was not considered for fixing the seniority.
According to rule 4(e) of General Rule for Tamil Nadu State & Subordinate Service guidance, the service seniority (in this place CML) should be fixed based on TNPSC seniority irrespective of date of joining into service, provided that the candidate joins the service within 6 months from getting initial appointment order. If the candidate joins the service after 6 months due to any reason, the seniority of the candidate should be placed below the junior most person in service at the time of his joining duty.
This fact was clearly mentioned in the recent DPH Regularization order (Note: Ref .2 & Copy of the order enclosed).
So I humbly request you to take necessary steps to correct these anomalies based on above rule in CML seniority list & place my seniority before above mentioned candidates in forthcoming CML 2009 (Note:Ref.3) list.
Thanking you
Yours truly,
1. Copy of Recent DPH&PM Regularization (Ref.2) order – 3pages
2. Copy of appointment order – 2 pages.

Copy Submitted to (for information & necessary action) :

1. THE HEALTH SECRETARY, Secretariat, Chennai-9.
2. THE DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL EDUCATION, DME campus, Kilpauk, Chennai.
3. THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH & PREVENTIVE MEDICINE ,
DMS Campus, Chennai -6.
4. STATE & DISTRICT PRESIDENT / SECRETARY , TNGDA

G.O. (Ms) No. 354 Dated: 23.10. 2009.

HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (B2) DEPARTMENT

G.O. (Ms) No. 354 Dated: 23.10. 2009.

Thiruvalluvar Aandu 2040.

Page 4 xiv.

The Government also fix the eligibility for promotion to a higher level in Director of Public Health and Preventive Medicine / Director of Medical and Rural Health Services / ESI/ Foreign Service / other institutions as follows:-

(i) An Assistant Surgeon shall put up 5 years of service for promotion

as Senior Assistant Surgeon.

(ii) A Senior Assistant Surgeon shall put up 4 years of service in the

post of Senior Assistant Surgeon for promotion as Civil Surgeon.

(iii) A Civil Surgeon shall put up 2 years of service in the post for

Promotion as Senior Civil Surgeon.

(iv) A Senior Civil Surgeon shall put up 1 year of service in the post for

promotion as Chief Civil Surgeon.

xv. The above eligibility is prospective i.e. for future promotions and it is not

applicable to the existing structure.

The Medical Officers on whom disciplinary action is pending / punishments given are not eligible for the above exercise.

a. However, the above minimum periods would be for future promotions only, and would not be applicable while refitting the existing structure into the proposed structure.

This re fitment will be done based on the restructured posts, with the postulate that those who have completed 20 years may be fitted in the Chief Civil Surgeon level, those who have completed 15 years may be fitted in the Civil Surgeon level and those who have completed 8years may be fitted in the Senior Assistant Surgeon level without taking into reckoning the minimum experience prescribed above for each level.

Example 1. A person joins service on 1-11-09,

1. He will get his promotion as SAS at the end of 5^th year on 2-11-2014.

2. He will become CS at the end of 9^th yr on 2018.

3. He will become SCS at the end of 11^th yr on 2020.

4. He will become CCS at the end of 12^th yr on 2021.

Example 2. A person had 3 years on service as on 1-11-09,

1. He will get his promotion as SAS at the end of 8^th year on 2-11-2013

2. He will become CS at the end of 12th yr on 2015.

3. He will become SCS at the end of 15^th yr on 2016

4. He will become CCS at the end of 16^th yr on 2017

Example 3. A person had 11yrs service as on 1-11-09,

1. He will get his promotion as CS at the end of 15^th year on 2-11-2013.

2. He will become SCS at the end of 17^th yr on 2015.

3. He will become CCS at the end of 18^th yr on 2016.

Example 4. A person had 18 yrs service as on 1-11-09,

1. He will get his promotion as CCS at the end of 20^th yr on 2-11-2011.

2. He will become CCS at the end of 21st yr on 2012.

Example 5. A person had 22 yrs service as on 23-10-09,

1. He will get his promotion as CCS at the end of 20^th yr on 23-10-2009.

the extra 2 yrs of his service as on 23-10-09 is waste with no monetary benefits